I just listened to a podcast recently that argued that the First Century Christians were probably a mushroom cult - as in the psychedelic shrooms - see for example Paul’s visions, speaking in tongues and John of Patmos and the transfiguration story and a lot of the so-called non-canonical Christian books.
Anony Mous
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Bestseller book “Jesus Was Schizophrenic” now available in English !
by yalbmert99 inbestseller book “jesus was schizophrenic” now available in english !
free in digital format!
paperback version available.. https://www.watchtowerlies.com/jesus_was_schizophrenic.html.
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The Covid-19 Vaccines do NOT Alter Human Genes, despite the myths to the contrary
by Disillusioned JW in["covid-19 vaccines can’t alter your dna, here’s why"]
can covid-19 vaccines alter my dna?
no, covid-19 vaccines do not alter your dna.
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Anony Mous
Although I agree that the vaccines won’t change your DNA, there are various issues being linked to the vaccine. Dozens of children and teens recently got inflamed hearts after receiving the vaccine, even though less than 100 of all COVID deaths in the US were children, about 54 cases of children diagnosed and hospitalized with myocarditis are currently known to the CDC after starting the COVID vaccine to just under 4M children. CDC officials are currently stonewalling requests for comments from journalists and the Biden admin refuses to release further information.
Note that more than 20M children have been at least exposed to the virus so the virus is not at all a threat to children.
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Jewish Hatred Is Nothing New
by minimus injews have been vilified for centuries!
they were nomads looking for the promised land.
they have been nearly exterminated and yet they are still in the middle east as well as a brotherhood throughout the world.
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Jewish religion is extremely economically conservative which means they have been very, very successful wherever they apply these ideas. This makes them an easy target by those that aren’t successful, you can just point and say: look, they are rich while you are poor, they must be taking from you.
This idea has been at the root of every revolution, from the Middle Ages to the French Revolution to the communist revolutions to Nazism, its always, you did nothing wrong, the rich did wrong, and we must take it from them. And Jews by virtue of their ideology are commonly found in the most educated and wealthy portions of any society, thus the anti-semitic pattern is easily matched.
This is also what happened in Israel. The Jews in the 1700s and 1800s started applying some of the industrialization from the West in the Middle East and in about a century they converted desert to farmland. This made their neighbors envious, and the British who were then in charge, took the area as a protectorate (food production in the Middle East was a key to military supply which supported their rule in food-poor but spice-rich and mineral-rich India, Africa and China). The rest, as they say, is history, point your poor desert dwelling at the Jews and look, they have farms and you are hungry, they must be taking your land, mix in some religion to justify and you have people telling us now we need to protect terrorists because Jews are too successful.
Most philosophers would agree that the Jewish religion is one of the most refined religions in that it has exorcised most of the weird stuff and distilled most of the best stuff which shaped the western ideology and as a result, what we now know as capitalism which has enriched everyone on earth.
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Did Jesus lie about his generation?
by Anony Mous inwe all know the scripture where jesus says 'this generation will by no means pass away before the end will come'.
the jw interpret this as the destruction of the jewish state in jerusalem by the romans and the dispersal of the jewish people.
however, while researching the history of judea, i come across various facts about the region.. so jesus died about 30ce and his disciples were likewise well in their thirties or older, the 'generation' by definition would've lasted until ~50ce (the time during which children are born and raised to have children of their own).
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Anony Mous
I agree with most of the notions above, the fact that a lot of the writings by Josephus and others were likely falsified later on by religious zealots. There was indeed a destruction of Jerusalem in 70AD, however the Jews themselves do not accept that as the end of worship and the complete destruction of the Temple. The fact there are (at least archaeologically dated) extant pieces of the Temple today (the walls of the Herodian temple predating Jesus can be seen today) shows that the “brick by brick” notion and complete destruction in 70AD was probably premature gloating by the Romans who had to come back a century later to get rid of those pesky Judeans.
My point was actually that even Jesus didn’t properly predict the generation teaching, and although it was written after the fact to fit history, the writers didn’t even to seem to understand on when Jesus lived or agreed with the stories of the day.
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The State of the Labour Party
by LoveUniHateExams inso, we've recently had local elections across the uk on may 6.. mayoral elections, elections for councillors, and the hartlepool by-election.. labour did pretty well in wales, the snp did well in scotland, and the conservatives killed it in england.. hartlepool, a city that's been labour for 50 years, voted in the tory candidate.
hartlepool voted for brexit in 2016 (70%) and the labour leader, keir starmer, thought it was wise to offer up a labour candidate who is a kent-born remainer.
labour has seriously lost touch with its voter base, that base being traditional working class people.. it is now a party for students, social activists and the perpetually-offended, and trendy self-hating middle class people.. labour will continue to get its ass handed to it in elections until it actually starts listening to ordinary people, the voters.. and ordinary people aren't interested in woke nonsense such as preferred pronouns or taking the knee.. there has been much labour naval-gazing recently following the elections but i'd be surprised if anything is learned.
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@Phizzy a real socialist leader they had in Jeremy Corbyn, he ticked all the boxes:
Left-wing, socialist, communist, Jew-hater, rich and self-entitled, anti-west - that is the socialist movement according to Marx.
What you describe being pro-labor, pro-regular people, pro-free speech and pro-business is rather conservative. And not conservative in the sense of religious zealots or neocons (big business conservatives), but traditional values conservative.
The narrative the left media has spun is that everyone on the right is a religious zealot or neocon because there are a few that are (just as there are left-wing zealots) but the breadth of viewpoints on the conservative is a lot larger than any left-wing party, because the conservatives are a lot more accepting in general of different viewpoints (free speech and all), even if that includes viewpoints that aren’t broadly supported.
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Will Jehovah’s Witnesses Go Back To Normal Activities?
by minimus inmost every state has a plan to get back to normalcy.
many countries also are ready to get their citizens on the road to recovery.. where does this leave the witnesses?
will they ever go back to house to house ministry?
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Anony Mous
From what I hear locally, nobody is going back to the KH just yet and they are indeed waiting for massive consolidation. I think they’ve gotten quite happy with their new state and losing that will be painful for membership (aka donation) retention.
They will milk this as long as “some” secular people will be fearful of the COVID and wants everyone to wear a mask, they won’t risk going house-to-house or get in big meetings just for media pushback reasons.
Per Fauci and the far-left media these risks are only growing now and they want us to lockdown at least until Summer 2022.
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Did Jesus lie about his generation?
by Anony Mous inwe all know the scripture where jesus says 'this generation will by no means pass away before the end will come'.
the jw interpret this as the destruction of the jewish state in jerusalem by the romans and the dispersal of the jewish people.
however, while researching the history of judea, i come across various facts about the region.. so jesus died about 30ce and his disciples were likewise well in their thirties or older, the 'generation' by definition would've lasted until ~50ce (the time during which children are born and raised to have children of their own).
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We all know the scripture where Jesus says 'this generation will by no means pass away before the end will come'. The JW interpret this as the destruction of the Jewish state in Jerusalem by the Romans and the dispersal of the Jewish people. However, while researching the history of Judea, I come across various facts about the region.
So Jesus died about 30CE and his disciples were likewise well in their thirties or older, the 'generation' by definition would've lasted until ~50CE (the time during which children are born and raised to have children of their own). According to tradition, none of the apostles were present during the first Roman-Judean war, all of them are presumed dead before 73CE when Jerusalem fell. So we're talking about 40 years of a difference between the "prophecy", almost 2 generations and very few people that Jesus ever heard speak would still be alive (given life expectancy wasn't very high back then).
But that's not all, according to actual archeology, Jews were not dispersed which is what the WTBTS and most Christian tradition speaks about when they explain the prophecy. The Romans did damage and destroyed portions of the temple, but they left the population in Judea and the city of Jerusalem largely intact. It would take 100 years after Jesus spoke those words for the Jews to be taken captive at large during the 132–136 CE Bar Kokhba revolt. Jerusalem had continued to exist for all those years, the temple was destroyed but Jews still worshiped there. Only after Romans suffered severe losses in the third revolt did they finally force (aka genocide) the Jews nearly (but not fully) extinct in the region. At that time, they did wipe Judea from the map, quite literally, by changing the names on maps.
This later date also conforms with the actual Orthodox Jewish tradition of when 'they' accept that the Jews were finally dispersed and the prophecy was fulfilled.
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The State of the Labour Party
by LoveUniHateExams inso, we've recently had local elections across the uk on may 6.. mayoral elections, elections for councillors, and the hartlepool by-election.. labour did pretty well in wales, the snp did well in scotland, and the conservatives killed it in england.. hartlepool, a city that's been labour for 50 years, voted in the tory candidate.
hartlepool voted for brexit in 2016 (70%) and the labour leader, keir starmer, thought it was wise to offer up a labour candidate who is a kent-born remainer.
labour has seriously lost touch with its voter base, that base being traditional working class people.. it is now a party for students, social activists and the perpetually-offended, and trendy self-hating middle class people.. labour will continue to get its ass handed to it in elections until it actually starts listening to ordinary people, the voters.. and ordinary people aren't interested in woke nonsense such as preferred pronouns or taking the knee.. there has been much labour naval-gazing recently following the elections but i'd be surprised if anything is learned.
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Anony Mous
I'm glad anti-semites and Holocaust deniers don't get elected again in the UK, at least an outbreak of common sense.
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400 Rockets Hit Israel
by minimus inisrael retaliated and some are accusing israel of an “act of terrorism”.
evidently these rockets are trying to get to tel aviv but the dome is getting overwhelmed.. i wonder if the usa and other nations will come to israel’s defense..
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Tentative ceasefire. There was a ceasefire in place before, Hamas keeps breaking the promise. They have no control over their troops.
Also funny to see Biden take the credit when he did literally nothing but exacerbate this situation. It was Egypt that brokered the tentative peace deal.
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Phone-witnessing conversation
by Anony Mous injust got called by a lovely elder(ly) woman trying to get a conversation started about the state of affairs in the world and if it is ever going to get better (this introduction is so old, this came straight from the old 1980's brown book of conversation starters).
at first i asked whether she was a telemarketer, no, she is a "bible student".
i hadn't heard that in a while, so i asked her what denomination, she kind of struggled and quietly said i'm one of jehovah's witnesses - the embarrassment was palpable.. so i said, oh, i'm one of jehovah's witnesses too!
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Just got called by a lovely elder(ly) woman trying to get a conversation started about the state of affairs in the world and if it is ever going to get better (this introduction is so old, this came straight from the old 1980's brown book of conversation starters). At first I asked whether she was a telemarketer, no, she is a "Bible Student". I hadn't heard that in a while, so I asked her what denomination, she kind of struggled and quietly said I'm one of Jehovah's Witnesses - the embarrassment was palpable.
So I said, oh, I'm one of Jehovah's Witnesses too! She sounded flustered after that. Asked me what congregation I was from. Oh, I haven't been to a congregation in a while. Why? Was it one of the "friends" that stumbled you? Yes, in a sense it was, I didn't find the support I needed in the congregation when my daughter was in the hospital and I was treated poorly and I put on the sop of having my newborn in the hospital (without mentioning the blood issue).
Oh, but the congregation has improved so much in the last 30-40 years since we became members, that definitely wouldn't happen in the last 20 years (I must sound a lot older than I am). I stopped going about a decade ago. Oh... silence... well, what congregation was that. I listed her 3 notoriously bad congregations in our area that has since been disbanded. Oh I understand now, perhaps you want to try visiting again here in our congregation and she basically implied her congregation was so much better than "those".
I said, no, I think the organization itself has been corrupted, I still love the people that go there and I still have friends which I have conversation with in the congregations, but I don't think the Watchtower organization can be an authority when it has been corrupted this badly. Then I want back to the story about my daughter and pivoted to the blood transfusion issue, talking about how even the Orthodox Jewish tradition believes that breaking the rules in the bible is acceptable to save lives. I asked her, I don't know if you have children, but if you do, put yourself in the situation where the court will take away your children from you and the elders are telling you not to 'or else', what would you do? Well, I decided to save my child's life, don't you think that's reasonable? She kind of had to agree with me on that.
Well let me ask you a question: If the Watchtower and the Bible were in conflict, which would you believe. She got really flustered, I would have to do some research. Yes, but what if after doing all the research, you still found fault, which would you believe, because that's what happened in my situation. Well, I would have to accept the Bible is above the word of men. So why do you think the whole organization is corrupted?
Oh, well, you can see the issues in the news with child abuse and the protection of the watchtower of elders that have committed great sins and I understand that the corporation has to shield the congregations and their elders from these issues, but it's still corruption when you allow these things to happen. "I never heard of those cases", oh, but your husband is an elder, he definitely has heard about those cases in the local congregations, I know of several cases, you can also go online and find these cases in the news.
What is your name? My name is so-and-so, but I don't think anyone within the congregations would admit talking with someone like me. Oh, I don't believe that. My husband is right here, do you want to talk to him. No, I have to end this because I have another meeting, but as I said I'm still talking to many of my friends and I also have a great Jehovah's Witness community online - you should go to jehovahs-witness.net. Oh, I don't think I'll do that, but you can go to jw.org. Oh, I go there regularly, to research my positions.
Oh, you're "one of those" she said, are you just going to wait for the end to come and then see where the dice land. I said, no, I have been raised a Jehovah's Witness, I have believed the end to come for all my life, I think that if Jehovah is a loving God, and there is some form of judgement day, don't you think he would look at me and judge me according to the good and bad I have done in my life, not just whether I belonged to an organization. Oh, yes, Jehovah is a loving God, he would definitely do that.
Then I said, well, I have to leave now, it was nice talking to you. Well, I hope you can do some more research on our website. I said, you as well, you should go online and do your own research.